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Posted by on Jan 22, 2015 in Commentary, Skills and drills | 0 comments

Check Your Angles

Check Your Angles


As I’ve mentioned in some of my work, I find a lot of players struggle with release angles when they work on advanced throwing techniques (hucking, upwind hucking, scoobers, etc.). Players also fail to appreciate the release angle (even if slight) many players use to execute flat 40 yard throws (hint, it isn’t flat).

To talk about this further, I wanted to add a few thoughts to Elliot Trotter’s “Scoober of Justice” video (trademarked throwing name,  you gotta appreciate style…).



Props to Elliot for taking the time to put this out there, and I agree with much of what he says. I’m pretty sure Eliott is aware of the following points.

Let’s set aside the ‘helix scoober of justice’ he talks about at the end of the video. Here are two photos of Elliot demonstrating the need to hold the disc with more vertical tilt (these were the most vertical examples in the video, I believe).


Angles scoober 1

angles scoober 2


I think many viewers would think that the angle in the photos above (about 35 and 45 degrees) would be more than enough for the throw he executes.

So what happens in his ‘live’ release?


angles scoober 3

angles scoober 4


Significantly more vertical tilt. Probably about 65 degrees. Now, I’m not trying to nitpick Elliot here, he does a very good job indicating the importance of vertical tilt when throwing scoobers for distance.  I just wanted to use this as an example of how easy it is for players who are learning new skills to assume something is correct based on how they view the throw or how they view a coach’s presentation (and yes, I realize this includes their interpretation of my work as well). We have players seeing hucks fly flat who then try to throw hucks with a level release, therefore not accounting for the phsyics of disc flight (or the physics of their own movement).

As I discuss here and here, even when players understand they need to tilt the disc at a certain angle, they often lose that angle when they try to execute the throwing motion. Hopefully I have laid out some tips in those links to help coaches, captains, and players troubleshoot this issue.

So check out Eliott’s video (it’s good stuff) and check your own release angles. What other interesting release ‘hacks’ can you learn from freeze framing top throwers? For a starting point, here are a couple freeze-frame, huck releases that I used to help a player who was working on throwing for distance.


brody flick huck invert angle

Brodie from his Youtube video on how to huck forehands


furious invert backhand huck angle

A Furious player at Regionals a few years back



And here is a backhand huck from Nick Lance in 2012 showing significant invert on his release, with the disc barely having any invert at the end of its flight (and low wind conditions based on the trees).


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Posted by on Jan 2, 2015 in Featured, Skills and drills | 0 comments

Get Your THROWS On

Get Your THROWS On


I get asked about throwing routines sometimes. I thought I’d share a basic mnemonic cue I have used at times during my career. I found it particularly useful when I was throwing in a less structured basis or when I’m trying to get a simple throwing session in before a game or tournament. Beyond that, this seemed a good time for me to type up some notes regarding my opinions on the highly recommended Wiggins’ Zen Throwing Routine and Caldwell/ Burruss’ Kung Fu Throwing. Both are excellent, and worth linking to if for no other reason then the fact someone may stumble here and not have seen those two routines before. But first, that mnemonic….

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